RCCC/RickOleson

As I see, David was registered only to forbid a using of Russian Camera Collectors Club materials and prevent it publication. It is sad...
For me: information must be free.

Zoom, it's a personal preference - if one spent a lot of time developing a piece of content it is his/her choice to use it publicly or commercially... we need to respect intellectual property.

Vlad

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Originally posted by Vlad
it's a personal preference - if one spent a lot of time developing a piece of content it is his/her choice to use it publicly or commercially...

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Sorry, Vlad, you are wrong...

mermoz37 said:

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after writing some free articles for it ...so never a "thank you" or something else from editor...

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Not only mermoz37 wrote an articles to the "RCCC Data Sheets"... It was a collective work! And RCCC is a Club and David Tomlinson is not an authors' employer.
So, according the "Copyright, Designs and Patents Act" of Great Britain: "The author of a work is the first owner of any copyright in it" (I-I-11.1).

So David Tomlinson have no rights to say that he is only one who have the copyright...

Dimitri: - I completely agree with your point of view in this matter, I also believe that several of our members so do.
This citizen being our matter of discussion, is our member since Sep 26 2007, and of course presupposing him in having a great amount of information on Soviet camera making collected along the years, he at Mar 17 2009 instead of contributing with any information, only wrote claiming an action we didn't.
I believe that this forum, which in a so short time lapse became world known among camera collectors, due its large amount of cameras shown is also known as a source of public knowledge about Soviet equipment. Knowledge as I believe is the right of everyone; and this knowledge is also democratically and freely shared not only by our members but by everyone coming to us, and we do so with no intention of any commercial basis.
Regards
LP

No doubt that if Alain, for example, has written an article for the RCCC Data Sheets, then it is Alain who owns the copyright of the text and and images that he sent to RCCC to be published. Of course this would be true with other authors too. Since David Tomlinson, in the Data Sheets has always asked for and largely depended on contributions from many authors, I doubt that he can claim sole copyright ownership to the information in the Data Sheets ... very much in the way that Vlad could not claim full copyright ownership to all of the information and images in this site.

However, in fact, in the Data Sheets that I have from the RCCC which covers approximately 1994 - 2004, there is not very much information that is not contained in our site or in Princelle's two editions. There is some information that may not be widely known or available elsewhere, but certainly that information can not be copyrighted, although an exact text article or image may have a copyright ownership by the author who wrote it, including David Tomlinson if he is the author.

Anyone who would want to borrow my copies of the RCCC Data Sheets to look through them and possibly write their own article(s) based on the information that they and other resources may contain is welcome to do so. Just let me know.

I can also just take a look through them and let the forum know what subjects they may contain that other sources do not contain. To do this, we could just start a thread that was titled "DATA - RCCC" and then I or anyone else could write posts concerning knowledge we have learned from reading these sheets. Not long back and forth posts, but more like a synopsis of the info. Let me know if you would want to make that a project. Probably some of our other members besides David Tomlinson also have access to the sheets and would want to share information with our members and others who love the cameras!

Regards, Bill

Even though I may generally agree with Zoom's and Luiz's point of view, I'm not going to republish the datasheets scanned or verbatim without Mr. Tomlinson's explicit permission.. thus is a policy of this site. But if Alain or any original contributor to RCCC decides to provide me with the originals of the articles that they've submitted to RCCC I have not issues placing them here since they are the author.

The only interesting pieces to me in terms of content that I've found in these datasheets were the tables Mr. Tomlinson put together (I think he did that himself), so since these are the only parts I was waiting permission to republish, I will not do so since I do not have this permission. According to rules we've established at the creation of this site here - http://www.ussrphoto.com/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=169 - I am not going to proceed with this matter any further...

Thanks,
Vlad.

And refer to this post too

http://www.ussrphoto.com/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=50

Naturally we have to honor legal copyrights, and be polite. But the writer is the copyrigth owner in this case, so his work must be honoured. And not anyone other, who only has published the text for free. Also being polite to the publisher is not needed if he reacts in this manner towards us. Far from that!

Best regards,
Juhani

hi all,
in my mind ....
A.f.a.i.k. I feel free to give my text and pictures to anyone which want to publish (in the French rules in Journalism) so....We cannot publish a copy of pages , or extract of pages(scan for example) from original print whithout agreement of the first publisher. (agreement would be "courtesy" or "rights bill")
once again I hope to be understanded in spite of my very bad english...
Alain

I notice that my previous response has caused a certain amount of debate on the copyright issue relating to the RCCC Data Sheets. Copyright rests with the original author of the contribution, but in the case of these Data Sheets, contributions from other authors only amount to ten out of the total number of aticles on cameras, lenses and accessories. All the others were written by me. In every other case the author is credited, and it is the author's permission that you need to seek in order to republish any of these items. As my reason for starting the Russian Camera Collectors Club was to share informaton on Soviet-made photographic equipment, I have no objection to my articles being used on websites that are relevant to the subject.

David Tomlinson (Russian Camera Collectors Club)

David thanks for replying.. just to clarify, are you saying you are now giving permission to maybe add some materials (like maybe a few data tables from the sheets) to the catalog? I want to confirm that please. Assuming it's all properly credited to original author of course. A live link to your site is possible in the entry as well.

Thanks!
Vlad

Vlad, thank you for your interest. I confirm that I am happy for you to add any of my content to the catalogue (as we spell it here!).

David (RCCC)

Just a thought, Vlad. - As we are always finding out more about Soviet cameras, it is possible that some of my information could be amended. If you check with me first, I will be very willing to add an information that I may have gathered since I first wrote the item.

David (RCCC)