Classificator for Start

Hello everyone, I am currently working on a classificator for Start cameras, and I am in desperate need for images of 1958 models and 1964 models to completely my sampling. The more the better! Can anyone help? Posting those here or emailing them directly to me at vladkern@particle-z.com will be very appreciated!

Thank you!

Vlad.

Vlad,

I just have sent few photos to your e-mail address. Hope this helps


Best Regards,
Aidas

Thank you Aidas, it looks like I have now all the necessary information now..

One question to everyone here is, I've encountered an anomaly in my sample, but I think this maybe a modification or a result of a repair.. what do you think? Look at 2 screws by the self-timer.

The serial # of this 2-screw model is 6008611 where 6006176 and 6106880 (2 samples above and below) do not have it. Does anyone have any cameras within that serial # range to confirm?

Thanks!
Vlad.

ooops sorry was logged in as my test account "Spacetop" .. Spacetop = Vlad

Here's my first draft of the Start Classificator (I don't think there is such a word though ). It's in an image form, I found it easier to work with... due to my inexperience please do let me know if you see any discrepancies - this is derived from a sample of about 16 cameras from 1958 to 1964..



thanks,
Vlad

damn.. shot myself in the foot there.. the image is tall so it resized automatically on the forum.. but I think it's still readable...

Vlad.

Vlad,

Great source - many thanks! I'd like to say in addition, that existing for sure export Start in Type-1.

Regards,
Aidas

Fantastic Vlad!
Know that there are at least three versions of the Helios 44 Automatic lens.
regards LP

Thank you all, but I don't think it's complete yet, as I was pointed out by some people there are still additional variations and details I've omitted by accident (like serial #s in different spots) so I will keep working on it...

Luiz: it's extremely hard to fit lenses into classificator because a lot of models I've looked at had switched lenses so it's very unreliable to put which lens came with which one for sure..

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Originally posted by Vlad

Thank you all, but I don't think it's complete yet, as I was pointed out by some people there are still additional variations and details I've omitted by accident (like serial #s in different spots) so I will keep working on it...

Luiz: it's extremely hard to fit lenses into classificator because a lot of models I've looked at had switched lenses so it's very unreliable to put which lens came with which one for sure..

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Vlad,

I posted some images of my 5800xxx camera sometime ago. Did you deleted those images?

Zhang

Zhang,

I've been looking but cannot find it.. I will go through images manually at some point but I need to do this at the server level.. will take me a bit.. but I do remember you posting these now, thanks at least it gives me an extra '58 model to compare..

Vlad

Thank you Aidas! It was an external image link and it was removed at Photobucket, no wonder I could not find it! also reminds me I gotta move these turret pictures Alain posted in that thread into the catalog, I'm not sure if they are there already...

Zhang, do you by any chance still have those images? It would be really helpful!

Thanks,
Vlad

Here's the latest updated version, still missing images for the Type 1 Export model.

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Originally posted by Vlad

Thank you Aidas! It was an external image link and it was removed at Photobucket, no wonder I could not find it! also reminds me I gotta move these turret pictures Alain posted in that thread into the catalog, I'm not sure if they are there already...

Zhang, do you by any chance still have those images? It would be really helpful!

Thanks,
Vlad

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Hi. Vlad,

I just saw this messaage. Sorry for late reply. I still have this early 1958 Start. I will take some images and post here FYI.

Thank you Zhang, but before you do that, first check your Start against classificator, if it falls exactly under one of the types described then you don't have to post pictures, but if it is a different variation I would love to see it.

Thanks!
Vlad

Hi Vlad,
I have some pictures (sadly only the pics, I sold the camera last year ) of a type 2A2 Start but with S/N 6212398. In your classificator you start the model 2B from 1961, so I think this may be not correct
If you are interested, I can send you those pics.
I have also some pics of a nice 2B1 (export) with the waste-level finder in place of pentaprism.
Again, if you are interested...
Bye
Davide

Hi Davide!

Thank you for this information, it must mean that they were still making 2A2 in parallel or mixed with 2B (hang-down lever) still in 1962... Does yours have ALL characteristics of 2A2 model? Or just the stay-on-top lever?

So it should probably read for 2A2 (1960-1962). Here's a 2B model from 1961 (so I think that's still stays correct):

Vlad, in my opinion it's definitely a 100% 2A2 type, here it is:

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Originally posted by Vlad

Thank you Zhang, but before you do that, first check your Start against classificator, if it falls exactly under one of the types described then you don't have to post pictures, but if it is a different variation I would love to see it.

Thanks!
Vlad

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O.K. I will check. But I would like to mention that the early ones has a light brown leather case that is different from those made in early 1960's.